Comments on: All About EP/GP http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/ Guild Management and Leadership in WoW Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:49:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Karatheya http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-335 Karatheya Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:40:02 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-335 <p>I just tested this.  It pops up a warning if you try to edit an officer note by hand, but it does not log that change - it just calls out to the built-in officer note editing routine.</p> <p>There are a few things you could do to protect yourself from this (exporting the log and uploading it to epgpweb.com for example), but the best policy is to not have officers or lootmasters who would abuse this power.</p> <p>The log isn't stored in the guild roster - only locally, so this would be hard for the addon author to implement in any case.  While you could try to find an addon that announced (or whispered) changes to any officer note, it would only work when you were online.</p> <p>There just isn't any place for an addon to store an audit trail server-side.  And even if there was, if somone really wanted to they could just run a hacked version of the addon with that bit taken out.</p> <p> </p> I just tested this.  It pops up a warning if you try to edit an officer note by hand, but it does not log that change – it just calls out to the built-in officer note editing routine.

There are a few things you could do to protect yourself from this (exporting the log and uploading it to epgpweb.com for example), but the best policy is to not have officers or lootmasters who would abuse this power.

The log isn’t stored in the guild roster – only locally, so this would be hard for the addon author to implement in any case.  While you could try to find an addon that announced (or whispered) changes to any officer note, it would only work when you were online.

There just isn’t any place for an addon to store an audit trail server-side.  And even if there was, if somone really wanted to they could just run a hacked version of the addon with that bit taken out.

 

]]> By: iamanub http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-333 iamanub Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:13:42 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-333 i was just curious, say if im an officer of my guild, and i change the ep/gp manually through clicking officer notes, and change it, does it log it in the ep/gp manual or what ever, or say something in the guild? i was just curious, say if im an officer of my guild, and i change the ep/gp manually through clicking officer notes, and change it, does it log it in the ep/gp manual or what ever, or say something in the guild?

]]> By: Karatheya http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-296 Karatheya Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:56:59 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-296 Indeed, the only difference is that your current balance is the result of an operation instead of a number stored directly in the loot standings. Indeed, the only difference is that your current balance is the result of an operation instead of a number stored directly in the loot standings.

]]> By: Tarnoc http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-295 Tarnoc Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:06:53 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-295 I may have missed some crucial detail here, but if you change to a system of EP - GP, is that not just fixed-price DKP with a different name? You earn points by raiding, and points you spend on gear are subtracted from the total. I may have missed some crucial detail here, but if you change to a system of EP – GP, is that not just fixed-price DKP with a different name?

You earn points by raiding, and points you spend on gear are subtracted from the total.

]]> By: Kevmar http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-293 Kevmar Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:04:09 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-293 @klozoh If all you are looking to do is change from EP/GP to EP-GP, you should try it out "as is" first. I think it does what you want, but thinking in ratio of points instead of absolute points is hard to grasp at first. I used EPGP as a base for our loot system. The addon is very solid and made tracking of points simple. The code is well done and it was easy to make calls to the Mod to get and update EPGP values. In the end, it was a totaly different loot system than EPGP even though I still used the EPGP mod. To make the change to EP-GP, there are only a few places you have to change in the code. I can drive backwards down the interstate very easily just by putting my car in reverse. .-= Kevmar´s last blog ..<a href="http://www.ithinkincode.com/warcraft/index.php/2010/01/hacking-lua/" rel="nofollow">Hacking LUA</a> =-. @klozoh
If all you are looking to do is change from EP/GP to EP-GP, you should try it out “as is” first. I think it does what you want, but thinking in ratio of points instead of absolute points is hard to grasp at first.

I used EPGP as a base for our loot system. The addon is very solid and made tracking of points simple. The code is well done and it was easy to make calls to the Mod to get and update EPGP values.

In the end, it was a totaly different loot system than EPGP even though I still used the EPGP mod.

To make the change to EP-GP, there are only a few places you have to change in the code. I can drive backwards down the interstate very easily just by putting my car in reverse.
Kevmar´s last blog ..Hacking LUA

]]> By: klozoh http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-288 klozoh Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:33:05 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-288 XD k thanks alot for the info ^^ XD

k thanks alot for the info ^^

]]> By: Karatheya http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-287 Karatheya Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:28:48 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-287 No. No.

]]> By: klozoh http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-286 klozoh Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:27:54 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-286 ok.. but do u think this is another addon that will do what I've been talking about ? ok..
but do u think this is another addon that will do what I’ve been talking about ?

]]> By: Karatheya http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-285 Karatheya Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:19:14 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-285 I am saying that if you change EP/GP to be EP-GP, you've created an entirely different loot system, one for which no addon exists. Really, it's a bad idea. Go through the math of how it works using division and prove to yourself how using subtraction breaks the formulas. EP/GP is a ratio-based system. Ratios = Division. If you want to use the idea of separate tallies of effort and gear received that's fine, but you can't just co-opt the ideas of EP/GP, change the arithmetic operator and expect the rest of the system to continue to work. I am saying that if you change EP/GP to be EP-GP, you’ve created an entirely different loot system, one for which no addon exists.

Really, it’s a bad idea. Go through the math of how it works using division and prove to yourself how using subtraction breaks the formulas.

EP/GP is a ratio-based system. Ratios = Division. If you want to use the idea of separate tallies of effort and gear received that’s fine, but you can’t just co-opt the ideas of EP/GP, change the arithmetic operator and expect the rest of the system to continue to work.

]]> By: klozoh http://blog.cold-comfort.org/epgp/comment-page-1/#comment-284 klozoh Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:14:27 +0000 http://blog.cold-comfort.org/?p=174#comment-284 so u mean I need to do my own addon ? so u mean I need to do my own addon ?

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