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	<title>Comments on: The Great Gearscore Debate of &#8216;09</title>
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		<title>By: Karatheya</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Karatheya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Blizzard does have their own gearscore - it&#039;s just not exposed to players.  Their version of the algorithm is what drives the scaling of drakes in the Oculus, Vehicles in the Siege of Ulduar, and prevents you from queuing for the harder heroics (ToC and up) with inferior gear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, given Blizzard&#039;s stated dislike for the way players have treated gearscore, I doubt they&#039;d ever expose it to us.  We&#039;ve proven that we can&#039;t have nice things.  :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blizzard does have their own gearscore &#8211; it&#8217;s just not exposed to players.  Their version of the algorithm is what drives the scaling of drakes in the Oculus, Vehicles in the Siege of Ulduar, and prevents you from queuing for the harder heroics (ToC and up) with inferior gear.</p>
<p>However, given Blizzard&#8217;s stated dislike for the way players have treated gearscore, I doubt they&#8217;d ever expose it to us.  We&#8217;ve proven that we can&#8217;t have nice things.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Eggs</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Eggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem I see with Gearscore is that over time it will give a false sense of what a &quot;geared&quot; player is.  When GS first came out a 5o00 could be considered geared.  Now it&#039;s easy to get a 5k (and higher) GS and now players that use GS to build raids may have a false sense of what a well geared player has for a gearscore.  In my opinion Blizzard should figure out a way to have their own Gearscore so how it functions can be controlled better than the third party developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem I see with Gearscore is that over time it will give a false sense of what a &#8220;geared&#8221; player is.  When GS first came out a 5o00 could be considered geared.  Now it&#8217;s easy to get a 5k (and higher) GS and now players that use GS to build raids may have a false sense of what a well geared player has for a gearscore.  In my opinion Blizzard should figure out a way to have their own Gearscore so how it functions can be controlled better than the third party developers.</p>
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		<title>By: Karatheya</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Karatheya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You didn&#039;t have to be running the addon for someone to determine what your gearscore was.  If that were the case, things never would have gotten as bad, because enough people in opposition could have rendered the system unusable as you suggest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The addon calculated your score using the standard unit inspection API.  If you could inspect someone, you could see what gearscore the addon had calculated for you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thankfully, 3.3 seems to have killed the gearscore problem - for the most part.  You still see people asking for minimums in raids, but the dungeon finder doesn&#039;t let you pick and choose - and once you&#039;re faced with waiting 15 minutes to kick someone you think is undergeared vs just finishing the dungeon, most people choose the latter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t have to be running the addon for someone to determine what your gearscore was.  If that were the case, things never would have gotten as bad, because enough people in opposition could have rendered the system unusable as you suggest.</p>
<p>The addon calculated your score using the standard unit inspection API.  If you could inspect someone, you could see what gearscore the addon had calculated for you.</p>
<p>Thankfully, 3.3 seems to have killed the gearscore problem &#8211; for the most part.  You still see people asking for minimums in raids, but the dungeon finder doesn&#8217;t let you pick and choose &#8211; and once you&#8217;re faced with waiting 15 minutes to kick someone you think is undergeared vs just finishing the dungeon, most people choose the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Demorf</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Demorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my solution : 
just disable the Addont for your self  :)
enable it once per week or so  and remember the &quot;Score&quot; of your gear ..

and when you join PUG   they will NEED to inspect  :)
and if you are ok (proper equpmnet, good soced )  you will have no problems  even if  you are  200-300GS under the requierments  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my solution : <br />
just disable the Addont for your self  :)<br />
enable it once per week or so  and remember the &#8220;Score&#8221; of your gear ..</p>
<p>and when you join PUG   they will NEED to inspect  :)<br />
and if you are ok (proper equpmnet, good soced )  you will have no problems  even if  you are  200-300GS under the requierments  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Nfz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>Nfz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no reason to completely rely on it nor to hate and flame it every time you can. Yes, a &quot;good player&quot; is irreplaceable but for some raids, skill just isn&#039;t enough, you have to bring a minimum of gear and GS tells you just that in a blink of an eye.

On the other hand, a &quot;good player&quot; with still low-end (assuming he&#039;s just about to level/farm/equip the character) equipment is unlikely to sign-up for a high-end raid instance, because he knows just that. However it&#039;s still faster than Be Imba! or WoW-Heroes if you want to know only this for a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no reason to completely rely on it nor to hate and flame it every time you can. Yes, a &#8220;good player&#8221; is irreplaceable but for some raids, skill just isn&#8217;t enough, you have to bring a minimum of gear and GS tells you just that in a blink of an eye.</p>
<p>On the other hand, a &#8220;good player&#8221; with still low-end (assuming he&#8217;s just about to level/farm/equip the character) equipment is unlikely to sign-up for a high-end raid instance, because he knows just that. However it&#8217;s still faster than Be Imba! or WoW-Heroes if you want to know only this for a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Hinenuitepo</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Hinenuitepo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t use the addon either. And for pugging heroics, it really doesn&#039;t matter at all. If I somehow get saddled with 4 horrible players, I just leave and move on. I&#039;ve certainly been in pugs with people in lots of T9 gear who could barely top 1k dps. I agree, even in Naxx, if the person knows their stuff, their gear is essentially irrelevant. 

For my guild&#039;s toc25 alt run where we pug 5-10 players, however, we do use wowheroes. The number is a starting point, and useful at that. I don&#039;t care how skilled you are, if you are in sub-2000 gear, you won&#039;t be able to pull your weight, and in our alt runs, we need you to pull your weight. On the other hand, someone in lfg has a score of 2200; now, what does their spec look like? Are they gemmed and enchanted properly? Do they have achievements? All these things can be examined easily, and I prefer it to armory. 
Of course the first question we ask on vent is: Does anyone know a hunter named Sylvl? Are they any good? If so, we don&#039;t bother with wow-heroes at all. 

It&#039;s also very very easy to gear up a toon in a very short period of time. I took my resto shammy out of mothballs with a 1900 WH score; two weeks later I&#039;m at 2400, so there&#039;s no need to drag someone along in low gear unless I know them and know they&#039;re good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t use the addon either. And for pugging heroics, it really doesn&#8217;t matter at all. If I somehow get saddled with 4 horrible players, I just leave and move on. I&#8217;ve certainly been in pugs with people in lots of T9 gear who could barely top 1k dps. I agree, even in Naxx, if the person knows their stuff, their gear is essentially irrelevant. </p>
<p>For my guild&#8217;s toc25 alt run where we pug 5-10 players, however, we do use wowheroes. The number is a starting point, and useful at that. I don&#8217;t care how skilled you are, if you are in sub-2000 gear, you won&#8217;t be able to pull your weight, and in our alt runs, we need you to pull your weight. On the other hand, someone in lfg has a score of 2200; now, what does their spec look like? Are they gemmed and enchanted properly? Do they have achievements? All these things can be examined easily, and I prefer it to armory.<br />
Of course the first question we ask on vent is: Does anyone know a hunter named Sylvl? Are they any good? If so, we don&#8217;t bother with wow-heroes at all. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also very very easy to gear up a toon in a very short period of time. I took my resto shammy out of mothballs with a 1900 WH score; two weeks later I&#8217;m at 2400, so there&#8217;s no need to drag someone along in low gear unless I know them and know they&#8217;re good.</p>
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		<title>By: Falc</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Falc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gear score? Meh? I guess this fad hasn&#039;t reached my server yet.

Altough i must agree that people being picky about others gear levels in Heroics need a reality check.

Fact - You can do a CoT: The Culling of Stratholme timed run with the highest dps being the tank with and overall 1800dps/s and the other 3 being around 1200, 1500 and 1700. I think that should pretty much say it all about the difficulty level of heroics.

This whole gear-score thing seems to be more of a e-peen meter really. At least the only reason i use gear-score is to compare, how well geared of a warlock my main is compared to other&#039;s on the realm, or how well my alt warrior tank is doing compared to others. (Wow-heroes then).

However be.imba.hu is a very nice tool, although not because of the total gear score numbers, but more for the times when you are lazy and want a nice overview of an applicants enchants and gemming options.

PS. Still a very nice blog, keep writing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gear score? Meh? I guess this fad hasn&#8217;t reached my server yet.</p>
<p>Altough i must agree that people being picky about others gear levels in Heroics need a reality check.</p>
<p>Fact &#8211; You can do a CoT: The Culling of Stratholme timed run with the highest dps being the tank with and overall 1800dps/s and the other 3 being around 1200, 1500 and 1700. I think that should pretty much say it all about the difficulty level of heroics.</p>
<p>This whole gear-score thing seems to be more of a e-peen meter really. At least the only reason i use gear-score is to compare, how well geared of a warlock my main is compared to other&#8217;s on the realm, or how well my alt warrior tank is doing compared to others. (Wow-heroes then).</p>
<p>However be.imba.hu is a very nice tool, although not because of the total gear score numbers, but more for the times when you are lazy and want a nice overview of an applicants enchants and gemming options.</p>
<p>PS. Still a very nice blog, keep writing <img src='http://blog.cold-comfort.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Malevica</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Malevica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extra bonus anecdote, on Sunday I joined a PuG Naxx-10 with a mage with a GS of 4600-ish. Who needed explanations of everything. 
I inspected him and realised that he was in 4xT9 and epic&#039;ed to the eyeballs, all through Crafted/BoE/Conquest/Triumph gear. He&#039;d never set foot in a raid before. 
Respect the guy for doing that many heroics and farming that much gold or materials, but it definitely illustrates the need for a reality check sometimes. 

Yay for anecdotal evidence and outliers :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extra bonus anecdote, on Sunday I joined a PuG Naxx-10 with a mage with a GS of 4600-ish. Who needed explanations of everything.<br />
I inspected him and realised that he was in 4xT9 and epic&#8217;ed to the eyeballs, all through Crafted/BoE/Conquest/Triumph gear. He&#8217;d never set foot in a raid before.<br />
Respect the guy for doing that many heroics and farming that much gold or materials, but it definitely illustrates the need for a reality check sometimes. </p>
<p>Yay for anecdotal evidence and outliers <img src='http://blog.cold-comfort.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Malevica</title>
		<link>http://blog.cold-comfort.org/great-gearscore-debate-09/comment-page-1/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Malevica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The account-wide thing is the important bit here really. I&#039;ve been pugging a lot on my discipline-specced dwarf priest alt recently, and not struggled despite a &quot;low&quot; 3k-ish gearscore (rising to 3.6k over the last fortnight). The thing is that my main&#039;s also a disc-specced priest with a lot of experience so I know the fights like the back of my hand. Yet neither &quot;GearScore&quot; nor &quot;Experience&quot; currently do me any justice. 

That said, I should probably refrain from commenting because I&#039;m a healer and no one has explicitely rejected me for gear reasons. I will say though that people are often amazingly intolerant of wipes, blaming the tank or healer instantly and bailing on the group (much, much more so on my main&#039;s server which is higher-pop and further-progressed) without stopping to think about what actually caused it (ninja-pulling 3 groups with Typhoon being my personal favourite). I understand wanting a hassle-free run, but a single hiccup makes people give up. 

On-topic, I do use GearScore myself, not as a proxy for skill but to try and predict in advance who will be least tough, if the tank will need extra attention, or if I&#039;ll need to go into mana-conservation mode for a long, drawn-out fight. It has its uses, and obviously abuses too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The account-wide thing is the important bit here really. I&#8217;ve been pugging a lot on my discipline-specced dwarf priest alt recently, and not struggled despite a &#8220;low&#8221; 3k-ish gearscore (rising to 3.6k over the last fortnight). The thing is that my main&#8217;s also a disc-specced priest with a lot of experience so I know the fights like the back of my hand. Yet neither &#8220;GearScore&#8221; nor &#8220;Experience&#8221; currently do me any justice. </p>
<p>That said, I should probably refrain from commenting because I&#8217;m a healer and no one has explicitely rejected me for gear reasons. I will say though that people are often amazingly intolerant of wipes, blaming the tank or healer instantly and bailing on the group (much, much more so on my main&#8217;s server which is higher-pop and further-progressed) without stopping to think about what actually caused it (ninja-pulling 3 groups with Typhoon being my personal favourite). I understand wanting a hassle-free run, but a single hiccup makes people give up. </p>
<p>On-topic, I do use GearScore myself, not as a proxy for skill but to try and predict in advance who will be least tough, if the tank will need extra attention, or if I&#8217;ll need to go into mana-conservation mode for a long, drawn-out fight. It has its uses, and obviously abuses too.</p>
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		<title>By: kavika</title>
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		<dc:creator>kavika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting thing is that the pvp gear is scored fairly high, so you can gather up a full set up the honor-purchasable gear and probably move your score over 4k.  I did that with my off-off-spec feral set for my druid just by running WG whenever it was up.  4k seems to be pretty much the cutoff number on my server right now, but of course that will move up over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting thing is that the pvp gear is scored fairly high, so you can gather up a full set up the honor-purchasable gear and probably move your score over 4k.  I did that with my off-off-spec feral set for my druid just by running WG whenever it was up.  4k seems to be pretty much the cutoff number on my server right now, but of course that will move up over time.</p>
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